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Fake Disputes on declaration of Geeta as National book. Is it sustainable? (Part – 1)


Why India should not have a National book?

If India has, National Bird, National symbol, National animal and also National flag, then there is no reason to prevent the government from selecting and declaring a national book.

Yes. We cannot prevent the Government.

Now suppose, the Government declares a book as the national book to which one group does not agree then what should the government do!!


Discussion is the process recognized in democracy.

What matter can be discussed in democracy?

If two parties, do not agree to a matter, then the disputes should be decided.

Here the two parties are: One Party is the Government. The other part is the group made of who does not like to declare Bhagvad Geeta as the National Book.

What are the disputes between two parts?

The other part appears to be not interested in logical discussion. But suppose it wants a logical discussion then it can raised following points:

(1) The other part says that Geeta is a religious book.

(2) In democracy all the religions are equal before the Government.

(3) Declaring a book belonged to a religion would give a message that government has declared a religion superior to other religion by way of recognizing its book as the National Book.

(4) For a democratic government, all the religions are equal, thereby government should not hurt the feeling of other’s faith.

The pro-declaration part and the Government says Geeta is a well-recognized and accepted book for improvement of mind-set. Dealing with a mind is a subject of philosophy provided it is with logical technics.

What comes in a way is the word “Religion”.

What is the definition of a religion?

Is it the definition of a religion as under?:

(1) Faith in a specified God by a book recognized by a promoter of that faith?

(2) Faith in the so-made authentication of the Event and Events and eventual characters made by the promoter of that faith?

(3) Faith in the rituals, line of actions, interactions, rules of law etc… directed by the promoter of that faith in the book/s?

(4) Faith in any such thing related with that book/s by the promoter of the faith as mandatory?


Judaism is a religion. It has a book Torah. The God Jehovah had directed human kind to follow the guide lines given in Torah.

Christians says no. The Torat is not OK totally. God had sent his Son to provide better guide line to mankind. It is the bible which is OK.

Muslims say no. Neither The Torat and nor the Bible is OK in toto. Because there are lots of interpolations and versions. Nothing is authentic and thereby they are not acceptable. God cannot have sons and daughters etc… God had sent a prophet. Directives had been given to that prophet through an angel. Koran Contains those directives in pure form. That is why Koran is the final and ultimate.

What is about Hindu?

As for the meaning of the word “Religion”, the meaning cannot be applies to the Hinduism. Our concepts are different. We have not that type of religion. Ours is the Dharma that is knowledge, selection of duties and liberty to select the ways to have pleasure of individuals and the society. We call this combination as “Sanatan Dharma”. The main principle us “Truth, Non-violence and happiness to all”.

The directives as defined/described as mandatory in the specified book/s, of the specified religion, are being applied in non-Hindu religions to be a part of that religion,

As for “Santana” no such provisions or reasons or directives are applicable. It is not falling under the definition and directives prescribed for traditionally called Jew, Christian, Muslims and other religion with similar binding characteristic.

Recall the supremacy of the Church on Science.

Nothing should recognized that goes against the events and characters narrated, that contradicts what is mentioned in the Bible. Galileo was punished for that. Later it was decided that religion and science are separate subjects. Religion is based on faith. Science is based on logic. A religious group cannot permit deviation from the beliefs as directed in a book. But as for the science, the deviation from the beliefs will be permitted.

Newton had written on Mass, Space and Time in “Philosophy of Nature”. Einstein and others contradicted in course of time. Einstein wrote on Mass, Space and Time in “The Universe”. There was no problem. While dealing with ordinary machines we follow Newton. While dealing with very high speed machines we follow Einstein.


Sanatana does not cover physical Universe only. It covers Universe, Mind, Soul and to some extent social behavior too. It is more or less applied technics to step up mind of individuals and the society/societies. Everything is related with the mind only.

Since by the definition, “Santana” differs, the word “Religion” cannot be applied to “Santana”. “Sanatana” is a way of life to have pleasure, harmony and peace in the society and to step up the individuals and the societies.

“Sanatana” is a philosophy of mankind as to how to deal with our mind to step it up and how to look at the universe.

Plato was a philosopher. He wrote a book “Theory of Forms”. This was a philosophical approach.

Now suppose the government of Greece declares this book as the National Book, would the Christians oppose this?

No. Because Plato was not a head of any religion. Now suppose a group immerged and said we have a Plato-Religion. It is a different matter that wether we may follow his principles or not. Don’t ask us about it. But we and declare that we have faith in Plato’s book. We have formed a herd named PLATO. Plato was son of God or a prophet sent by the God, or whatsoever we may call him or not, we and you should not mind. But we belong to Platonisms. That is all.

Would it be proper to derecognize the Plato’s book “Theory of Forms” from the category of Philosophy?


Krishna was knowledgeable, thinker, yogi and philosopher. He narrated Geeta. Incidentally he narrated Geeta before Arjuna, before the war Maha Bharata started. This lecture on philosophy on how to deal with the mind was given by Krishna. It is a different matter whether it was an interpolation or not. But one cannot negate its category.

What is the fault of “Geeta” if the discoverer and orator Krishna, is termed as an incarnation of Sun (Vishnu)? Even today there are more than 1000 persons recognized as God. Will you de-recognize their rights of citizenship?

No. You will not. Because they are human being too. similar is the case with Krishna and his Geeta.

Geeta is a book on philosophy. One cannot de-recognized it from its category.

Let us look at the origin of Geeta.


What is eternal?

Who is eternal?

How was the universe created?

What are the ways to acquire the pleasure?

How to step up mind?

How is the cosmos?

The language of Vedas is in old Sanskrit. The text of Vedas have multiple meanings. They have literal meaning, indirect meaning and hidden meaning. Those who have any doubt on this point, they may read Aurobindo Ghose on Vedas.

There are Upanishadas. All these are difficult for common mass to understand. It is just like to study in college after completing qualifying final year of school.


Upanishadas are Cows (philosophy of survival). Krishna milked them. He prepared curd and butter milk and then stirred it. The butter got floated on the surface. Krishna took it out and he presented it before Arjun (Bharata).

Is there anything wrong with Geeta so far as philosophy is concern?

No. There is nothing wrong, nothing misguiding, nothing discriminating mankind or harming mankind.

Yes. There are some people who have misinterpreted Geeta willfully to satisfy their ego and selfish means associated with their hypocrisy and vote bank politics.

Let us see some of the misconceptions.

(Continued … )

Shirish Mohanlal Dave

Tags: Geeta, Philosophy, science, mind, cosmos, soul, Newton, Einstein, Plato, Church, Jewism, Christianity, Islam, prophet, son, Sun, religion, faith, logic, incarnation, God, Krishna, Veda, Butter

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Since we are in democratic nation we are supposed to have differences. This can be minimized with communication in right direction.


It is better not to mix two drafts of Lok Pal Bill.



Joke Pal bill put up by the government, lead by Nehruvian Congress of India Private Limited


Jan Lok Pal bill submitted by Civil Society.


When we say only Lok Pal, then it creates confusion among common mass. Lok Pal of the government is useless and it has lot of loop wholes.


Jan Lok Pals covers many aspects like Citizen Charter and responsibility of the wings entrusted with justice. But separate bill by the Congi on citizen charter is a fun. Similarly to keep CBI out side Lok Pal by the government is also to make Lok Pal ineffective.


Why Anna does not talk about Black money?


As I understand that all the people who want some reforms including political reforms have liberty to decide their priorities. Anna has a liberty to have priority on Jan Lok Pal Bill. Baba Ramdev has priority on Black money. Swami Subrahmanian has priority on the filed litigation.


In fact “black money” is not a proper term.


As per legal interpretation Black money is a civil matter. In reality the black money is not simply black money only, but this money is RED Money also. Red money means money involved in criminal activities including terrorism.


Leaders of Nehruvian Congress, Sharad, RBI top officers, ISI, Pakistan government including Daud, Bangladesh, Mauritius are heavily involved in the scams of Fake currency notes and black-red money. So far UPA is in power there cannot be any hope for any meaningful action under present system on black-red money and illegal accounts of Indians in foreign banks. This is because UPA’s commitment on proceedings on black money is a fraud.


Our legal system is not capable to handle this promptly, unless we provide Jan Lok Pal as a constitutional authority. For Lok Pal Bill Nehruvian Congress has commitment and this point can be taken to public on merits.

Where are we confused and lost? 

But unfortunately, instead of this, we find some learned persons trying to create confusion  for the people, which may due to either lacking in sense of significance or ill knowledge or own interest. We can understand the vested interest of Nehruvian Cong leaders on misinterpretation of its Lok Pal Bill as a strong Lok Pal bill, but the interpretation of some others on the term Lok Pal in general is misguiding.

Let is not highlight the differences: 

Any way at this stage, we should take Anna as a person. Let us view his fight as a fight for a cause. Kiran Bedi and some others of Anna’s team are lacking in strategy even if they present them selves as public spirited persons.

Take up issue one by one

Fight has to be taken up with one by one issue. Mahatma Gandhi had fought like that only.

We should not forget that Mahatma Gandhi had understanding on widely spread mass of India. He had matured, foresighted and well thought political strategies. He had management skills and sense of significance. We should not expect and search for such calibre in other leader who is fighting for public interest.


Instead of concentrating on finding out faults with a person or a team which is fighting for a good cause, we should take some possible burden on our head for fighting for the reforms. This applies on every body who thinks them selves as nationalist, learned and wise or otherwise also.


To me we should have only one point program at a time like this:


Constitutional Jan Lok Pal Bill,

If not and or if it fails and otherwise also,


Launch agitation to dissolve parliament,

If not or otherwise also,


Defeat Nehruvian Congress of India and its past, present and would be allies in all the forthcoming elections,


Political reforms,


Prosecute all the leaders of Nehruvian Congress of India and their allied leaders and punish them. Disqualify their parties.


Remove the names of Nehruvians from all the projects, schemes and landmarks. Remove their statues and paintings as the case may be from roads, gardens and public buildings.

One equally important point is not to create and float any other subject for discussion like, Muslims, Vedas, Atheist, Theist, Christians, RSS, Undivided India, subjects of worship, temples, etc… In fact Nehruvian Congress of
India wants some people who are having crisis and or complex of identification, to float less relevant or insignificant or even irrelevant subjects for discussion. This is with a view to divert the attention of mass to divert the attention from frauds, scams, scandals and blunders of Nehruvian Congress leaders, and to divide people.

We should not give any coverage to the persons who are Anti-Anna, Anti-Modi, Anti-Ramdev, Anti-Subramanian. This is necessary to avoid indirect negative image on the people fighting against Nehruvian Congress and its allies.

Tags; Jan Lok Pal, Joke Pal, Fraud, Citizen charter, reforms, Anti-Modi, subject of worship, temple, religion, Nehruvian

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